{"id":1084,"date":"2024-05-07T09:31:37","date_gmt":"2024-05-07T13:31:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/?page_id=1084"},"modified":"2024-05-07T10:07:34","modified_gmt":"2024-05-07T14:07:34","slug":"mmi-110-fermentation","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/mmi-110-fermentation\/","title":{"rendered":"MMI 110 &#8211; Fermentation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:-60px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom:-20px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"font-family:var(--awb-typography1-font-family);font-weight:var(--awb-typography1-font-weight);font-style:var(--awb-typography1-font-style);margin:0;\"><h2><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\"><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\">Making a Meal of It \u2014 episode 110: Fermentation<br \/><\/span><\/span><\/h2><\/h2><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_4 1_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-blend:overlay;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:25%;--awb-margin-top-large:-20px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:7.68%;--awb-width-medium:25%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:7.68%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:left;--awb-aspect-ratio:1 \/ 1;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h4_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h4_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h4_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h4_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h4_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h4_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h4_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"fusion-no-lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"podcast cover image_500x500\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=500%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" class=\"img-responsive wp-image-892 img-with-aspect-ratio\" data-parent-fit=\"cover\" data-parent-container=\".fusion-image-element\" alt srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_3_4 3_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:75%;--awb-margin-top-large:-30px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:;--awb-spacing-left-large:0%;--awb-width-medium:75%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\" style=\"--awb-font-size:18px;--awb-line-height:1.5;--awb-letter-spacing:var(--awb-typography4-letter-spacing);--awb-text-transform:var(--awb-typography4-text-transform);--awb-text-color:#7c501a;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography4-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography4-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography4-font-style);\"><\/p>\n<p>This episode is about the dynamic, transformative, ancient, <em>and<\/em> contemporary process that is <em>fermentation<\/em>. We also get into feminist theory, the queering of food, and taste in zero gravity during conversations with fermentation experts Joshua Evans and Maya Hey. David and Maxime taste kimchi, miso, and perga (bee bread) in the fermented edition of \u2018Stick This in Your Mouth\u2019, and filmmaker Bruce LaBruce responds scrumptiously to the Food Questionnaire.<\/p><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-audio fusion-audio-1\" style=\"--awb-progress-color:var(--awb-color6);--awb-border-color:var(--awb-color1);--awb-background-color:#4b8991;--awb-max-width:100%;--awb-margin-top:10px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-border-size:1;--awb-border-top-left-radius:10;--awb-border-top-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-left-radius:10;\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1084-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/MMI-ep110.mp3?_=1\" \/><a 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class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:20px;--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:10px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-title-center fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-text-color:#4e4a7a;--awb-margin-bottom:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-center\" style=\"margin:0;\">notes<\/h3><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_3_5 3_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:60%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.2%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.2%;--awb-width-medium:60%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.2%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.2%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\" style=\"--awb-content-alignment:left;--awb-font-size:16px;--awb-text-color:#000000;\"><p><strong><u>Episode 110: Fermentation<\/u><br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Duration: 00:56:01<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Guests<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-1088\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/JoshuaEvans.jpg?resize=125%2C161&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"125\" height=\"161\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/JoshuaEvans.jpg?resize=200%2C258&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/JoshuaEvans.jpg?resize=232%2C300&amp;ssl=1 232w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/JoshuaEvans.jpg?w=250&amp;ssl=1 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 125px) 100vw, 125px\" \/>Dr. Joshua Evans<\/strong> is a senior researcher at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biosustain.dtu.dk\/\">Novo Nordisk Foundation Center for Biosustainability<\/a> at the Technical University of Denmark in Copenhagen, where he founded and leads the Sustainable Food Innovation Group. Their work brings together culinary research and development with academic research and practice in the humanities, social sciences, and natural sciences. (photo: Chris Tonnesen)<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-1087\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/FFF.jpg?resize=124%2C102&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"124\" height=\"102\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/FFF.jpg?resize=200%2C164&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/FFF.jpg?w=250&amp;ssl=1 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 124px) 100vw, 124px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/heymayahey.com\/\">Dr. Maya Hey<\/a><\/strong> is a postdoctoral researcher with the Centre for the Social Study of Microbes at the University of Helsinki. She is the instigatorof <a href=\"http:\/\/www.foodfeminismfermentation.com\/\">food feminism fermentation<\/a>, an organization that brings together the three themes in publications and conversations that cross culinary, health, and educational participants.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/name\/nm0478418\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-1086\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/BruceLaBruce.jpg?resize=125%2C158&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"125\" height=\"158\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/BruceLaBruce.jpg?resize=200%2C253&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/BruceLaBruce.jpg?resize=237%2C300&amp;ssl=1 237w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/BruceLaBruce.jpg?w=250&amp;ssl=1 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 125px) 100vw, 125px\" \/>Bruce LaBruce<\/a><\/strong> is a filmmaker, photographer, writer, and artist based in Toronto and working internationally. He has written and directed fourteen feature films, including <em>Gerontophilia<\/em>, which won the Grand Prix at the Festival du Nouveau Cinema in Montreal in 2013, and <em>Pierrot Lunaire<\/em>, which won a Teddy Award at the Berlinale in 2014. (photo: George Nebieridze)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Also mentioned:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_fermented_foods\">a list of global fermented foods<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/2419825-miso-paste-made-in-space-opens-a-new-frontier-for-fermented-foods\/\">NewScientist article about \u201cspace miso\u201d<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li>Sandor Katz\u2019s, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wildfermentation.com\/the-art-of-fermentation\/\">The Art of Fermentation<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Host\/Producer: David Szanto<br \/>Music: Story Mode<br \/>Stock media: ProSoundEffects \/ Pond5<br \/>@makingamealpodcast<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/makingamealofit.com\">makingamealofit.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_2_5 2_5 fusion-flex-column\" 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