{"id":1123,"date":"2024-05-27T17:04:38","date_gmt":"2024-05-27T21:04:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/?page_id=1123"},"modified":"2024-05-27T17:08:36","modified_gmt":"2024-05-27T21:08:36","slug":"mmi-113-meat-power","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/mmi-113-meat-power\/","title":{"rendered":"MMI 113 &#8211; Meat &#038; Power"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:-60px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom:-20px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"font-family:var(--awb-typography1-font-family);font-weight:var(--awb-typography1-font-weight);font-style:var(--awb-typography1-font-style);margin:0;\"><h2><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\"><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\">Making a Meal of It \u2014 episode 113: Meat &amp; Power<br \/><\/span><\/span><\/h2><\/h2><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_4 1_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-blend:overlay;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:25%;--awb-margin-top-large:-20px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:7.68%;--awb-width-medium:25%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:7.68%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:left;--awb-aspect-ratio:1 \/ 1;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h4_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h4_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h4_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h4_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h4_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h4_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h4_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"fusion-no-lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"podcast cover image_500x500\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=500%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" class=\"img-responsive wp-image-892 img-with-aspect-ratio\" data-parent-fit=\"cover\" data-parent-container=\".fusion-image-element\" alt srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_3_4 3_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:75%;--awb-margin-top-large:-30px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:;--awb-spacing-left-large:0%;--awb-width-medium:75%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\" style=\"--awb-font-size:18px;--awb-line-height:1.5;--awb-letter-spacing:var(--awb-typography4-letter-spacing);--awb-text-transform:var(--awb-typography4-text-transform);--awb-text-color:#7c501a;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography4-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography4-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography4-font-style);\"><\/p>\n<p>This episode is all about the meaty meatness of meat, including power and privilege, language and taste. Conversations with food scholar Julie Guthman and charcutier-and-butcher Phil Viens cut to the bone when it comes to politics, technocracy, artisanship, and trust. David and Maxime moderate their meat intake during \u2018Stick This in Your Mouth\u2019, and physicist (and chili-sauce lover) Liz Ainsbury responds to the Food Questionnaire.<\/p><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-audio fusion-audio-1\" style=\"--awb-progress-color:var(--awb-color6);--awb-border-color:var(--awb-color1);--awb-background-color:#4b8991;--awb-max-width:100%;--awb-margin-top:10px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-border-size:1;--awb-border-top-left-radius:10;--awb-border-top-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-left-radius:10;\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1123-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/MMI-ep113.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/MMI-ep113.mp3\">https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/MMI-ep113.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-2 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--link_hover_color: var(--awb-color6);--link_color: var(--awb-color5);--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-padding-top:0px;--awb-margin-top:0px;--awb-background-image:linear-gradient(180deg, rgba(201,216,164,0.62) 0%,var(--awb-color2) 60%);--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:20px;--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:10px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-title-center fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-text-color:#4e4a7a;--awb-margin-bottom:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-center\" style=\"margin:0;\">notes<\/h3><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_3_5 3_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:60%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.2%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.2%;--awb-width-medium:60%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.2%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.2%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\" style=\"--awb-content-alignment:left;--awb-font-size:16px;--awb-text-color:#000000;\"><p><strong><u>Episode 113: Meat &amp; Power<\/u><br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Duration: 00:59:57<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Guests<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1125\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/guthman.jpg?resize=115%2C159&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"115\" height=\"159\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/guthman.jpg?resize=200%2C275&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/guthman.jpg?resize=218%2C300&amp;ssl=1 218w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/guthman.jpg?resize=400%2C550&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/guthman.jpg?w=488&amp;ssl=1 488w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 115px) 100vw, 115px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Julie Guthman<\/strong> is a professor of sociology at the University of California at Santa Cruz. Her research focuses on food system transformation in the United States, including Silicon Valley\u2019s recent forays into food and agriculture. Her new book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ucpress.edu\/book\/9780520402676\/the-problem-with-solutions\"><em>The Problem with Solutions<\/em><\/a>, addresses this new research.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1127 \" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=115%2C150&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"115\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=200%2C261&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=230%2C300&amp;ssl=1 230w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=400%2C523&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=600%2C784&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=768%2C1003&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=784%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 784w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?resize=800%2C1045&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens.jpg?w=829&amp;ssl=1 829w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 115px) 100vw, 115px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Phil Viens<\/strong> is a former restaurant chef turned butcher and charcutier. His Montreal shop, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alimentsviens.ca\/\">Aliments Viens<\/a> is a nexus of trust, artistry, and care for both people and what they eat.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-1126 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens-logo.png?resize=113%2C82&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"113\" height=\"82\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens-logo.png?resize=200%2C145&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens-logo.png?resize=300%2C214&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens-logo.png?resize=400%2C290&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/viens-logo.png?fit=500%2C362&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 113px) 100vw, 113px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>(photo: Alison Slattery @twofoodphotographers)<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"color: var(--awb-text-color); font-family: var(--awb-text-font-family); font-size: var(--awb-font-size); font-style: var(--awb-text-font-style); letter-spacing: var(--awb-letter-spacing); text-align: var(--awb-content-alignment); text-transform: var(--awb-text-transform); background-color: var(--awb-bg-color-hover);\">\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"color: var(--awb-text-color); font-family: var(--awb-text-font-family); font-size: var(--awb-font-size); font-style: var(--awb-text-font-style); letter-spacing: var(--awb-letter-spacing); text-align: var(--awb-content-alignment); text-transform: var(--awb-text-transform); background-color: var(--awb-bg-color-hover);\">Liz Ainsbury<\/strong><span style=\"color: var(--awb-text-color); font-family: var(--awb-text-font-family); font-size: var(--awb-font-size); font-style: var(--awb-text-font-style); font-weight: var(--awb-text-font-weight); letter-spacing: var(--awb-letter-spacing); text-align: var(--awb-content-alignment); text-transform: var(--awb-text-transform); background-color: var(--awb-bg-color-hover);\"> is a radiation protection physicist who is based in the UK and works with research scientists and other colleagues from around the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Also mentioned:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Alex Blanchette&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dukeupress.edu\/porkopolis\">Porkopolis: American Animality, Standardized Life, and the Factory Farm<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the speculative films <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Soylent_Green\">Soylent Green<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt1706620\/\">Snowpiercer<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Julie Guthman on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thrivingfarmerpodcast.com\/julie-guthman\/\">the Thriving Farmer Podcast<\/a> and \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.utne.com\/politics\/the-food-police\/\">The Food Police<\/a>\u201d<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/History_of_vegetarianism\">the history of vegetarianism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Maillard_reaction\">the Maillard Reaction<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Host\/Producer: David Szanto<br \/>Music: Story Mode<br \/>@makingamealpodcast<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/makingamealofit.com\">makingamealofit.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_2_5 2_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:40%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:8.4%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:4.8%;--awb-width-medium:40%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:8.4%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:4.8%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-five\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h5 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"margin:0;\">segments<\/h5><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\" style=\"--awb-font-size:14px;--awb-text-color:#8c5b39;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography3-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography3-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography3-font-style);\"><p>00:06:22<br \/>Julie Guthman on meat, tech, and \u2018solutions\u2019<\/p>\n<p>00:23:05<br \/>Phil Viens on being a charcutier and butcher<\/p>\n<p>00:40:38<br \/>\u2018Stick This in Your Mouth!\u2019 (the meat edition)<\/p>\n<p>00:52:59<br \/>the Food Questionnaire with Liz Ainsbury<\/p>\n<\/div><div 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