{"id":1138,"date":"2024-06-04T10:46:59","date_gmt":"2024-06-04T14:46:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/?page_id=1138"},"modified":"2024-06-04T13:44:10","modified_gmt":"2024-06-04T17:44:10","slug":"mmi-114-fish-sustainability","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/mmi-114-fish-sustainability\/","title":{"rendered":"MMI 114 &#8211; Fish &#038; Sustainability"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:-60px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom:-20px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"font-family:var(--awb-typography1-font-family);font-weight:var(--awb-typography1-font-weight);font-style:var(--awb-typography1-font-style);margin:0;\"><h2><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\"><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\">Making a Meal of It \u2014 episode 114: Fish &amp; Sustainability<br \/><\/span><\/span><\/h2><\/h2><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_4 1_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-blend:overlay;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:25%;--awb-margin-top-large:-20px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:7.68%;--awb-width-medium:25%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:7.68%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:left;--awb-aspect-ratio:1 \/ 1;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h4_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h4_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h4_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h4_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h4_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h4_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h4_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"fusion-no-lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"podcast cover image_500x500\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=500%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" class=\"img-responsive wp-image-892 img-with-aspect-ratio\" data-parent-fit=\"cover\" data-parent-container=\".fusion-image-element\" alt srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_3_4 3_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:75%;--awb-margin-top-large:-30px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:;--awb-spacing-left-large:0%;--awb-width-medium:75%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\" style=\"--awb-font-size:18px;--awb-line-height:1.5;--awb-letter-spacing:var(--awb-typography4-letter-spacing);--awb-text-transform:var(--awb-typography4-text-transform);--awb-text-color:#7c501a;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography4-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography4-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography4-font-style);\"><\/p>\n<p>This episode is all fish, fishing, and fisheries, including the fluid and dynamic ways that things change when water and humans meet. Conversations with fisheries researcher Kristen Lowitt and pisciculture entrepreneur Nicolas Paquin net out with a hefty catch of ideas about relationships, livelihoods, ecosystems, and innovation. For the fish edition of \u2018Stick This in Your Mouth\u2019, Maxime and David peel the metallic lid off a couple of cans of fish, and we close with art-scientist Christy Spackman\u2019s responses to the Food Questionnaire.<\/p><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-audio fusion-audio-1\" style=\"--awb-progress-color:var(--awb-color6);--awb-border-color:var(--awb-color1);--awb-background-color:#4b8991;--awb-max-width:100%;--awb-margin-top:10px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-border-size:1;--awb-border-top-left-radius:10;--awb-border-top-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-left-radius:10;\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1138-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep114.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep114.mp3\">https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep114.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-2 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--link_hover_color: var(--awb-color6);--link_color: var(--awb-color5);--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-padding-top:0px;--awb-margin-top:0px;--awb-background-image:linear-gradient(180deg, rgba(201,216,164,0.62) 0%,var(--awb-color2) 60%);--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:20px;--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:10px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-title-center fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-text-color:#4e4a7a;--awb-margin-bottom:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-center\" style=\"margin:0;\">notes<\/h3><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_3_5 3_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:60%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.2%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.2%;--awb-width-medium:60%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.2%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.2%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\" style=\"--awb-content-alignment:left;--awb-font-size:16px;--awb-text-color:#000000;\"><p><strong><u>Episode 114: Fish &amp; Sustainability<\/u><br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Duration: 00:57:39<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Guests<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1140 size-thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Lowitt.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/kristenlowitt.ca\/\"><strong>Dr. Kristen Lowitt<\/strong><\/a> is a settler scholar working in the School of Environmental Studies at Queen\u2019s University in Kingston, on the traditional territories of the Haudenosaunee and Anishinaabek. She grew up near the Great Lakes and recently returned to the region after many years in Atlantic Canada.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1141\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=120%2C120&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"120\" height=\"120\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Opercule.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 120px) 100vw, 120px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Nicolas Paquin<\/strong> is the co-founder and operator of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.opercule.ca\/\">Opercule<\/a>, an urban fish farm in central Montreal, and part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/centrale.coop\/\">Centrale Agricole<\/a>, a cooperative of agrifood producers and actors working to develop businesses within a circular economy.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1142\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Spackman.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/>Christy Spackman <\/strong>is an assistant professor at Arizona State University, where she runs the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christyspackman.com\/sensorylabor.html\">Sensory Labor(atory)<\/a>, a research-creation collective exploring how to disrupt the status quo of how institutions and infrastructures make sense of sensing. Her recent book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ucpress.edu\/book\/9780520393554\/the-taste-of-water\">The Taste of Water<\/a>, which explores the increasing erasure of tastes from drinking water over the 20th century.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Also mentioned:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/opercule_mtl\">Opercule\u2019s Instagram<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the documentary \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.batchewanaungfish.ca\/\">Lake Superior, Our Helper<\/a>\u201d and its distributor, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.collectiveeye.org\/products\/lake-superior-our-helper-stories-from-batchewanaung-anishinabek-fisheries?_pos=1&amp;_sid=bc88cbdee&amp;_ss=r\">Collective Eye Films<\/a><\/li>\n<li>more about <a href=\"https:\/\/batchewana.ca\/\">Batchewana First Nation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tandfonline.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1080\/00141844.2010.549946\">\u2018Emergent Aliens\u2019: On Salmon, Nature, and Their Enactment<\/a> by Marianne Lien and John Law<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Host\/Producer: David Szanto<br \/>Music: Story Mode<br \/>@makingamealpodcast<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/makingamealofit.com\">makingamealofit.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_2_5 2_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:40%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:8.4%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:4.8%;--awb-width-medium:40%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:8.4%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:4.8%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-five\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h5 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"margin:0;\">segments<\/h5><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\" style=\"--awb-font-size:14px;--awb-text-color:#8c5b39;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography3-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography3-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography3-font-style);\"><p>00:06:12<br \/>Kristen Lowitt on the dynamics of community fisheries<\/p>\n<p>00:21:55<br \/>Nicolas Paquin on reimagining fish farming<\/p>\n<p>00:39:07<br \/>\u2018Stick This in Your Mouth!\u2019 (the fish edition)<\/p>\n<p>00:50:24<br \/>the Food Questionnaire with Christy Spackman<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-social-links fusion-social-links-1\" 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