{"id":1167,"date":"2024-06-18T10:34:02","date_gmt":"2024-06-18T14:34:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/?page_id=1167"},"modified":"2024-06-18T10:34:50","modified_gmt":"2024-06-18T14:34:50","slug":"mmi-116-pudding","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/mmi-116-pudding\/","title":{"rendered":"MMI 116 &#8211; Pudding"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:-60px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom:-20px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"font-family:var(--awb-typography1-font-family);font-weight:var(--awb-typography1-font-weight);font-style:var(--awb-typography1-font-style);margin:0;\"><h2><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\"><span style=\"font-size: 28px;\" data-fusion-font=\"true\">Making a Meal of It \u2014 episode 116: Pudding<br \/><\/span><\/span><\/h2><\/h2><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_4 1_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-blend:overlay;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:25%;--awb-margin-top-large:-20px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:7.68%;--awb-width-medium:25%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:7.68%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:left;--awb-aspect-ratio:1 \/ 1;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h4_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h4_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h4_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h4_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h4_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h4_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h4_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"fusion-no-lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/podcast\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"podcast cover image_500x500\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=500%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" class=\"img-responsive wp-image-892 img-with-aspect-ratio\" data-parent-fit=\"cover\" data-parent-container=\".fusion-image-element\" alt srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=66%2C66&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/podcast-cover-image_500x500.png?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_3_4 3_4 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:30px;--awb-padding-left:30px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:75%;--awb-margin-top-large:-30px;--awb-spacing-right-large:0%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:;--awb-spacing-left-large:0%;--awb-width-medium:75%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:0%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:0%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\" style=\"--awb-font-size:18px;--awb-line-height:1.5;--awb-letter-spacing:var(--awb-typography4-letter-spacing);--awb-text-transform:var(--awb-typography4-text-transform);--awb-text-color:#7c501a;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography4-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography4-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography4-font-style);\"><\/p>\n<p>This episode ends season one of <em>Making a Meal of It<\/em> on a sweet note, but also a savoury one, as well as a lofty (but reasonable) proposition for using pudding as an icon for systemic change. Conversations with food scientist Richard Hartel and saucissier-philosopher Nick Amberg show that the proof of the puddings is not just in the eating, but also in a whole series of steps both before and after. Maxime and David ponder the pleasure of nostalgia during \u2018Stick This in Your Mouth!\u2019, and the episode concludes with the questions proposed by past Food Questionnaire respondents.<\/p><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-audio fusion-audio-1\" style=\"--awb-progress-color:var(--awb-color6);--awb-border-color:var(--awb-color1);--awb-background-color:#4b8991;--awb-max-width:100%;--awb-margin-top:10px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-border-size:1;--awb-border-top-left-radius:10;--awb-border-top-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-right-radius:10;--awb-border-bottom-left-radius:10;\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1167-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep116.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep116.mp3\">https:\/\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/MMI-ep116.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-2 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--link_hover_color: var(--awb-color6);--link_color: var(--awb-color5);--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-padding-top:0px;--awb-margin-top:0px;--awb-background-image:linear-gradient(180deg, rgba(201,216,164,0.62) 0%,var(--awb-color2) 60%);--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-right:20px;--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:10px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-title-center fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-text-color:#4e4a7a;--awb-margin-bottom:0px;--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-center\" style=\"margin:0;\">notes<\/h3><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep-double sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:var(--awb-color3);\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_3_5 3_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:60%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.2%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.2%;--awb-width-medium:60%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.2%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.2%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\" data-scroll-devices=\"small-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\" style=\"--awb-content-alignment:left;--awb-font-size:16px;--awb-text-color:#000000;\"><p><strong><u>Episode 116: Pudding<\/u><br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Duration: 00:53:30<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Guests<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-1170\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=110%2C151&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"110\" height=\"151\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=66%2C91&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=177%2C243&amp;ssl=1 177w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=200%2C275&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=218%2C300&amp;ssl=1 218w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=300%2C413&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=320%2C440&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=400%2C550&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=460%2C633&amp;ssl=1 460w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=540%2C743&amp;ssl=1 540w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=600%2C825&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=669%2C920&amp;ssl=1 669w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=700%2C963&amp;ssl=1 700w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=745%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 745w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?resize=768%2C1056&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Hartel.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 110px) 100vw, 110px\" \/>Dr. Richard Hartel<\/strong> is a professor of Food Engineering with the Department of Food Science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. His research focuses on phase transitions in foods, primarily sugar confections, chocolate, and ice cream, and he teaches courses in manufacturing and preservation, as well as candy science. His book, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/books\/edition\/_\/PMOrW3zkirwC?hl=en\">Food Bites: The Science of the Foods We Eat<\/a><\/em>, is a lively read about everything from skunky beer to marshmallow peeps.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-1169\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=110%2C157&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"110\" height=\"157\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=66%2C94&amp;ssl=1 66w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=177%2C253&amp;ssl=1 177w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=200%2C286&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=210%2C300&amp;ssl=1 210w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=300%2C428&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?resize=320%2C457&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.iceboxstudio.com\/IS\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Amberg.jpg?w=327&amp;ssl=1 327w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 110px) 100vw, 110px\" \/>Nick Amberg<\/strong> is a C\u00c9GEP instructor, food maker, photographer, improviser, and self-trained charcutier. He is also a maker of connections, a process idealist, and an excellent host.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Host\/Producer: David Szanto<br \/>Music: Story Mode<br \/>@makingamealpodcast<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/makingamealofit.com\">makingamealofit.com<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_2_5 2_5 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:40%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:8.4%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:4.8%;--awb-width-medium:40%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:8.4%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:4.8%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-five\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:10px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:10px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h5 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"margin:0;\">segments<\/h5><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\" style=\"--awb-font-size:14px;--awb-text-color:#8c5b39;--awb-text-font-family:var(--awb-typography3-font-family);--awb-text-font-weight:var(--awb-typography3-font-weight);--awb-text-font-style:var(--awb-typography3-font-style);\"><p>00:08:10<br \/>Richard Hartel on the science of pudding<\/p>\n<p>00:18:22<br \/>Nick Amberg on making sense through sausages<\/p>\n<p>00:34:41<br \/>\u2018Stick This in Your Mouth!\u2019 (the pudding edition)<\/p>\n<p>00:46:29<br \/>the Food Questionnaire with lots of folks (and David)<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-social-links fusion-social-links-1\" 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